Write your own Talk!
I see on the site we can write our own stuff and upload it but what about just a doc or place with the ability to type and paste what ever we so desire - you know so we can prepare a talk from within the app using quotes from other library sources within the app, etc. and the ability to link to scriptures in the talk so we don't have to copy and past the whole scripture if we don't want to!!!
I agree. I'd like a way to
I agree. I'd like a way to create a talk within the app. Perhaps a way to organize a bookmarks folder with personal comments, quotes and such.
Wow no one else thinks this
Wow no one else thinks this is a good idea? I was talking with my Technology enthusiast brother today and he made it sound like if that was possible he would switch to the iPhone and get the app since he is still stuck on his Palm (not pre but one of those other devices).
As you're aware there isn't
As you're aware there isn't such a thing in the LDS Scriptures app, but you can do it via the LDSScripturesApp.com website and sync it back to your device with all the scripture references working. Here's how:
Log into LDSScripturesApp.com, click on Profile at the top, then Content from the tabs and then Create Content.
You should now see what looks like an editor appear.
Start writing your talk and every time you want to reference a scripture just type in some text referring to the scripture, for example "1 Ne 3:7" or "Popular Verse", then select that text and click on the link icon above the editor. That will popup a Insert/Edit link editor.
In the "Link URL" field paste in the URL to the scripture from http://scriptures.lds.org and then click on the "Insert" button. You don't need to fill out the other fields.
When you're done, Submit the talk to the server and then in the "LDS Scriptures" app sync your content. Any of the text you linked to scriptures.lds.org will automatically appear within the app and you can tap on them to display the verses.
A few tips on finding URLs from scriptures.lds.org:
Using http://scriptures.lds.org, browse to the chapter where your verse is located. For example, 1 Nephi 3:7. In the address bar of your browser you will see http://scriptures.lds.org/1_ne/3
That will link directly to the 3rd chapter of 1st Nephi, but not the verse. To get to the verse, append a / character and the verse number to the URL in the address bar and press enter. It should now read http://scriptures.lds.org/1_ne/3/7
Note that verse 7 is now highlighted. In the "LDS Scriptures" app, in addition to highlighting the verse, we also want to scroll to the verse so add another #7 at the end of the URL. It should now read: http://scriptures.lds.org/1_ne/3/7#7
When that link is clicked on within the app, you will see the 3rd chapter of 1st Nephi appear and the 7th verse will be scrolled to with it highlighted for you.
You can even get fancy, such as http://scriptures.lds.org/1_ne/3/7-9,11#8
That will highlight verses 7-9 and 11 and scroll to verse 8. All of it will just automatically work inside of the app.
Also note that you can paste existing HTML documents into the editor and if they have links to scriptures they will also automatically work within the app.
I've tried four different
I've tried four different browsers (safari, camino, firefox, and chrome) and I don't see the link icon in any of them. I'd really prefer a simple solution rather than going through the whole headache of creating a .bundle file. That just wastes a lot of time. Any other suggestions?
Oh, and I tried pasting
Oh, and I tried pasting content, but it just displays the full html code in the page on my iphone.
My Crated Content seems to
My Crated Content seems to get lost in the void. I tried to Create Content and add a "link URL' field per your instructions and then submit it to the server. That is the last I see of it.
It would be nice if you could automatically add the URL link to any added content scripture reference like the competitor "LDS Scriptures Apps" does. Any chance of that?
I haven't been able to
I haven't been able to reproduce the disappearing content issue, so a few questions:
Do you get a message saying it was sucessfully created?
Does it show up in your list of content?
Can you edit the content still?
What web browser and version are you using?
As for automatically detecting links, it will probably be added in the future. It's on the list, but I have a very long list.
Do you get a message saying
Do you get a message saying it was sucessfully created?
No, I get the content screen.
Does it show up in your list of content?
No, It shows 1 - 3 of 3 displayed. How do I see all three? It may be one I cannot see.
Can you edit the content still?
How do I edit it when I cannot find it? If I select create content, I get another new blank edit screen.
What web browser and version are you using?
Internet Explorer 8
Thanks tevans you are great.
Ah, so when you click on
Ah, so when you click on "Create Content" you don't see the view appear with all of the toolbar buttons in it (there's around 40 of them)?
If that's the case, it's some issue with users using IE and I'll look into it. If you have Safari or Firefox, could you try one of them?
I personally never use my
I personally never use my handheld device to write my talks. I always sit down at my computer to do it. As for your friend, I'm sorry he feels he is "stuck" on his Palm device. I feel like I'm stuck on my Touch. The Palm platform was so much more superior than iPhone 3.0 even in it's early stages. Right now he can do more on his Palm than we can do on our iPhones/Touches in terms of scriptures, document creation, doc viewing, and PIM's.
I don't see the truth in
I don't see the truth in that? Sure the Palm as a few different book readers but none of them as advanced as the book readers on the iPhone? Am I wrong? For one the only scripture versions available were not able to link to other documents or link back from the Ensign to the Scriptures - cause they were all separate documents and no link existed between the two. And as far as just scriptures this app is way more advanced and has way more features then anything on the palm! (we are talking about a Palm OS not Palm's WebOS) Was there ever a book reader on the Palm that had a place to write in the app?
All I am saying is that this app would be great if they integrated a spot to write your own talk or favorite quotes so you can do so on the go - you know the Iphone is a mobile device.
Yes, you are wrong. I haven't
Yes, you are wrong. I haven't tried all the book readers for iPhone, but for the ones I have, I see no advantage over the Palm readers. Which Palm and iPhone readers have you used?
I guess is you haven't used a Palm PDA very much. I used one for 11 years. For one thing, if you created the scriptures or DL'd them into iSilo format, you could have links to any other document.
Second, if using MarkMyScriptures (hereafter MMS), it is true that there is no link to the scriptures from the church magazines. However, because of MMS architecture combined with the speed of PalmOS, you could look up a reference in a flash. Plus, with the MMS Web app, you could download ANYTHING that was on the church's website in two mouse clicks without creating it like we have to now AND highlight the content as you wanted, which we can't currently do with created docs. You could also bookmark this dl'd content, something we can't currently do, either.
Plus, you could EASILY create your talk in this app. Many did. You do that in MMS by using the create your own Topical Guide/Index feature of MMS. Copy any scripture verse, quote, what have you into your talk. If you didn't want to read your talk from your PDA at the pulpit, you could export it and then print it out. Also in MMS, you had a palette of 11 colors from which to choose to highlight, underline, or change the color of the text. And of course, you could use any combination of the above. If you didn't like the palette, you could customize it choosing from 224 colors. Shall I go on? There is absolutely no way that this app is "more advanced" than any scripture app on the Palm. No way! Yes, this app has some very nice features that was not in MMS, but this app is still an infant. MMS was very advanced. One day, LDS Scriptures WILL be more advanced. But that isn't today.
As far as everything else goes, I used DateBk5 on the PalmOS for my PIM and there is NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING in the iPhone OS that even matches it for speed, features, and *efficiency.* I'm using the best that iPhone OS has to offer and that is Pocket Informant. It's good, but nowhere near the maturity level of DateBk5. It has a long, long ways to go. What I have to do with Pocket Informant in an of itself is a royal PAIN. To sync my events with Outlook (Until they release their direct Outlook sync conduit) I have to sync PI with Google Calendar, then sync Google Calendar with Outlook. AND if I want alarms associated with my appointments, I have to then sync Outlook with the built-in Calendar. (As you may know, Apple has limited access to the Calendar API's, therefore not allowing things like alarms in 3rd party calendar apps.) THAT'S SYNCING FOUR TIMES!
As a matter of fact, iPhone OS has a long, long way to go. Wow, I just paid $9.95 to "upgrade" my Touch so that I can now copy/paste and search. Not impressed. Palm devices could do that from the get go. As a matter of fact, most PDA's that I know of could do that. We just now got that capability?!!! For $10 bucks?!!! What an insult! Also, either because of the OS or the iPhone chipset, or both, speed is definitely an issue. Opening apps, docs, reading large docs, any memory/processor intensive activity is sluggish compared to the ARM processor-fueled Palm OS.
Docs2Go on the Palm was second to none. It's first iteration was for the Palm OS as a matter of fact. Edit and sync Word, Excel, Outlook, Powerpoint, etc. Yes, we can do that now on our iPhone/Touch platform, but this is just to make the point that iPhone is NOT ahead of Palm on this front, either. The one big difference is that I had one of those ultra-cool Stowaway keyboards for my Palm device. I used a keyboard to create docs in Word on the Palm or take notes. A real keyboard. With same tactile specs as my laptop keyboard. Now with Bluetooth enabled, we hopefully will see some keyboards for the iPhone, but even still, for some stupid engineering reason, the iPhone keyboard will have to have separate drivers written for each specific app. Not one driver that covers any app on your iPhone, but it will need coding specifically for each specific app. Go figure.
Contacts? Well we all know that iPhone Contacts is pretty stark when it comes to features. From Day 1, I could sync all my Outlook Contacts AND their categories to my Palm. With my Touch, I finally figured out that I had to create a folder in Outlook for each category that I wanted in iPhone Contacts. Then I had to either move or copy each of my contacts in respective categories to its corresponding folder then sync with iTunes. A lot of work. Every new contact has to be put in its proper folder as well. Of course, we won't even consider that with DataViz (creator of Docs2Go) BeyondContacts for Palm you had complete sync with Outlook. Email, calendar, notes, tasks, categories, multiple categories (for contacts, email, appts, etc. with more than one category) color coding, etc.--all there.
Notes? Even with the "new" and "improved" Notes that I got for my $10 upgrade, it still is bare-bones. I can't do categories with it like I could with my native Notes app on the Palm.
Oh, yeah, let's talk about syncing, another glaring weakness with the iPhone. Right now I have to do a sync for Docs2Go, Aji Reader, Pocket Informant, Files, LDS Scriptures, and Contacts. That is SIX separate syncs! With the Palm, I was able to do one sync and it synced ALL at once. Why can't we do that with iPhone OS? Stupid.
So did I miss anything? Well, I miss my Sony Clie, that's for sure. And it came out, when? Seven years ago?
OK I was not putting the "?"
OK I was not putting the "?" to be mean I was seriously asking a question and your post seamed kinda like you are mad, or just plain rude. I will assume I just took that the wrong way.
Anyway I can see were you come from, especially trying to use the iphone on a windows based OS, my wife tried that and like you describe it isn't pretty. I think you need to just dig deeper on the syncing issues you have since contacts and all have always worked flawless for me, I even have my calenders synced from both iphones and both laptops without issue, wirelessly. I can't speak too much for downloading on a palm as every palm I had was without WiFi till i bought the card but even then it was a hassle since it stuck out, and used my Sd slot, but luckily I had 2 sd slots on my Zodiac 2.
I had a Sony Clie but then used the Tapwave Zodiac 2 wiki link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapwave_Zodiac
I can't speak for Treo's and palm based devices that were integrated into smartphone, other than seeing how tediously my friends had to use them with the stylus and small screens, I never owned one. but as just PDA's I think , please feel free to correct me, once you learn what the Zodiac had, that the zodiac 2 was the most advanced Palm (PDA) out there.
Anyway to make this short I wish I would have used MMS it sounds great, but most palms just had poor screen res and were made to work with a stylus, which was cumbersome and dainty at the same time. either way I think you are right and that seems like an odd work around to make a talk, guess I could do that in this App under a note just a really long note.
I guess I look at hardware and see the old palm as being kinda weak, low screen res, screen size and crappy text input, unless of course you wanted to pack around a nifty keyboard that was the size of the palm if not bigger, single touch input. the only thing palm really had going for it was that it was like totally open for development, but that had limitations since hardware can only do so much. THis is the pre-Pre if you catch my drift, I wouldn't mind owning a Palm Pre, but not back on Sprint.
Have you tried Bookshelf by Zachary Debell, not sure of the last name spelling but I could download straight from safari to the app, he is just one guy working on the app but has a great beta system that I am part of and used for all scripture needs and all ebooks as well till I bought this app. He does what he can to get support for more formats. great App and he is constantly improving it.
Ok well if you took offense to my message I am sorry I never meant it that way just wanted to get informed and wanted a cool feature in this app. I agree with you as far as most apps on the iphone are very new and undeveloped, but I am a graphics man and love to see things in more than 8 bits. I will never go back to the old palm, maybe the new one, but as for now I find the iphone to be fast- this is the 3GS of course, anything before that was pretty slow, and only slow cause dev's have been reaching farther than it's hardware, which is what one would hope for in a successful device/OS, but if you dumbed the graphics down to palm os (pre-palm pre) standard the iphone would kill it.
ok I am done. thanks
Whoops! Did I sound mad or
Whoops! Did I sound mad or offended or rude? I profusely apologize, didn't mean to. Just meant to add to the thread. So sorry. That's the disadvantage to typing a conversation vs. talking. I thought you were asking a question. If I did sound mad, take it to be directed at Apple. I just find that their launch of the iPhone OS, knowing that it and the Touch were going to be platforms for gaming and work production, was lame. There are many of us orphaned former Palm OS users looking for a new home. I know many of us are finding frustration with Apple Corp. Well, and Palm Corp., too as they completely blew it and didn't know how to develop and market what they had.
Anyway, yeah, the Zodiac--never understood why it didn't take off and dominate more than it did. It was an awesome PDA/gaming platform. I personally had a Clie NX70V, so I had a large screen, great resolution, color, and speed. And lots of killer apps and lots of fun apps and lots of highly useful apps. Watched movies, listened to MP3's, recorded voice, took pics (although not that great), recorded video. Typical Sony quality. And then they killed it.
Oh, and my keyboard wasn't a one-touch kind. It unfolded to be a full QWERTY keyboard. It sure turned heads unfolding it and folding it. Incredibly creative engineering.
For alternative keyboards, there was this great software called FITALY, named after a row of the keys, which replaced the screen keyboard. It grouped most commonly used character sets together and with just a little bit of practice, one could become quite proficient with it and get upwards to 60-70 wpm! Specifically designed for two- or one-finger (or stylus) input. So you didn't need a portable keyboard. I would love to see that ported to the iPhone/Touch. But I tell you, I used a Visor Deluxe and carried that keyboard around to all my classes for grad school and was the envy of all the laptop owners. With a battery life of one month+, I took notes in every class and did my homework on the train ride to school and back home.
Haven't tried Bookshelf, I'll have to look into it. Sounds interesting.
Regards,
Brad
Bookshelf has a lite version
Bookshelf has a lite version also
paid is $9.99 - http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=284934...
but check out the web site for format support and whatnot, http://www.iphonebookshelf.com/